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		<title>By: Max Richardson</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-18027</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, I love the font you use on your site Matt, so clear! Which font is it? What&#039;s the spacing / kerning etc? Thanks for your response in advance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, I love the font you use on your site Matt, so clear! Which font is it? What&#8217;s the spacing / kerning etc? Thanks for your response in advance!</p>
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		<title>By: GPL Propaganda: First They Came for&#8230; &#124; WPblogger</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>GPL Propaganda: First They Came for&#8230; &#124; WPblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] GPL licensed theme is rejected by the repository simply because the creator&#8217;s site mentioned the Thesis theme (not GPL [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-952</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve developed WordPress plugins for years, and it&#039;s the same sort of thing.  If you want it to be included in &quot;Extend&quot; then it must be GPL. But I&#039;ve not heard of not being allowed to offer both free &amp; &quot;premium&quot; plugins and I know of at least one that would fall into that category.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as themes go, I can&#039;t say for sure, but I do know that there was a major problem some time back with sponsored themes (company X designs a theme for company Y then company Y offers it for free in order to have their site linked to all over the place).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;ve developed WordPress plugins for years, and it&#39;s the same sort of thing.  If you want it to be included in &#8220;Extend&#8221; then it must be GPL. But I&#39;ve not heard of not being allowed to offer both free &#038; &#8220;premium&#8221; plugins and I know of at least one that would fall into that category.</p>
<p>As far as themes go, I can&#39;t say for sure, but I do know that there was a major problem some time back with sponsored themes (company X designs a theme for company Y then company Y offers it for free in order to have their site linked to all over the place).</p>
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		<title>By: David Coveney</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>David Coveney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not hugely different to the policies spelled out in the great theme withdrawal of just over a year ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s Stalin-esque, because we still have the freedom to go elsewhere.  WP is given freely, and if the core project isn&#039;t run in a way that we&#039;re unhappy with then the GPL actually gives us the freedom to walk away with all the code and do what we like with it.  Its beauty is that although a radical desire to protect the GPL can drive people away from a project, the GPL still protects our rights and ability to continue using the software.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;d be much worse in a closed environment - try being an iPhone developer.  But even then, you can just switch to Android, or WinMob, or Symbian... or any other, really.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as I&#039;m concerned it doesn&#039;t actually matter nearly as much as I thought it did, so if I were you I&#039;d not stress too much about it.  So long as WP continues to be popular, we can live with it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree with the stance taken, the attitude and politics in some elements of the core project and so on.  But it doesn&#039;t matter - I don&#039;t, today, have the power to change it - all I can do is express my opinion, as here, that it could be done better and that in the long run it could lead to forks taking place that will be direct competition for WP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s not hugely different to the policies spelled out in the great theme withdrawal of just over a year ago.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s Stalin-esque, because we still have the freedom to go elsewhere.  WP is given freely, and if the core project isn&#39;t run in a way that we&#39;re unhappy with then the GPL actually gives us the freedom to walk away with all the code and do what we like with it.  Its beauty is that although a radical desire to protect the GPL can drive people away from a project, the GPL still protects our rights and ability to continue using the software.</p>
<p>It&#39;d be much worse in a closed environment &#8211; try being an iPhone developer.  But even then, you can just switch to Android, or WinMob, or Symbian&#8230; or any other, really.</p>
<p>As far as I&#39;m concerned it doesn&#39;t actually matter nearly as much as I thought it did, so if I were you I&#39;d not stress too much about it.  So long as WP continues to be popular, we can live with it.</p>
<p>I disagree with the stance taken, the attitude and politics in some elements of the core project and so on.  But it doesn&#39;t matter &#8211; I don&#39;t, today, have the power to change it &#8211; all I can do is express my opinion, as here, that it could be done better and that in the long run it could lead to forks taking place that will be direct competition for WP.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes, so we must add to the list:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;* The developer cannot be *using* a non-100% GPL theme on his own, personal site.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is Stalin-esque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes, so we must add to the list:</p>
<p>* The developer cannot be *using* a non-100% GPL theme on his own, personal site.</p>
<p>This is Stalin-esque.</p>
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		<title>By: David Coveney</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>David Coveney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you say Matthew, the repository is theirs and they can put whatever restrictions they like on what is and is not included in there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BUT...this has tinges of extremist behaviour.  That is you&#039;re not pure, you can be included.  It&#039;s a common issue that psychologists observe in all sorts of organisations, in particular those based on ideology.  Members want to show that they&#039;re better than others, that they&#039;re more &#039;pure&#039; than their comrades.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Moderates end up exasperated, and slowly leave, leaving the group to become distilled into ever more extreme behaviour.  Eventually it all blows apart.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;WordPress the codebase is bigger than WordPress the project - the simple long-term consequence is that someone may opt to fork the project.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t have much time for Chris Pearson and his Thesis Theme, to be fair, but why marginalise him?  What WordPress is doing there is creating a community of clever and well funded people who aren&#039;t included any more and who may well end up having the motivation to fork WP if the project continues to treat them like a bad sibling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And where does this stop?  It appears to be a little arbitrary.  I often post up information on getting things working in Windows - for example, a recent post on getting XAMPP in Win 7 and mySQL WorkBench to play well together.  That&#039;s me showing support for both GPL *and* non-GPL code.  Is that playing with fire?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It isn&#039;t healthy - WordPress needs to mature now, or it&#039;ll split... and that&#039;s damaging for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say Matthew, the repository is theirs and they can put whatever restrictions they like on what is and is not included in there.</p>
<p>BUT&#8230;this has tinges of extremist behaviour.  That is you&#39;re not pure, you can be included.  It&#39;s a common issue that psychologists observe in all sorts of organisations, in particular those based on ideology.  Members want to show that they&#39;re better than others, that they&#39;re more &#39;pure&#39; than their comrades.</p>
<p>Moderates end up exasperated, and slowly leave, leaving the group to become distilled into ever more extreme behaviour.  Eventually it all blows apart.</p>
<p>WordPress the codebase is bigger than WordPress the project &#8211; the simple long-term consequence is that someone may opt to fork the project.  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t have much time for Chris Pearson and his Thesis Theme, to be fair, but why marginalise him?  What WordPress is doing there is creating a community of clever and well funded people who aren&#39;t included any more and who may well end up having the motivation to fork WP if the project continues to treat them like a bad sibling.</p>
<p>And where does this stop?  It appears to be a little arbitrary.  I often post up information on getting things working in Windows &#8211; for example, a recent post on getting XAMPP in Win 7 and mySQL WorkBench to play well together.  That&#39;s me showing support for both GPL *and* non-GPL code.  Is that playing with fire?</p>
<p>It isn&#39;t healthy &#8211; WordPress needs to mature now, or it&#39;ll split&#8230; and that&#39;s damaging for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewlyle</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>matthewlyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One of the first things I look at is the site that the theme is from -&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://matthewlyle.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://matthewlyle.com/&lt;/a&gt; - since sites that offer or support non-GPL&lt;br&gt;themes are not eligible to be in the directory.  The Thesis theme has&lt;br&gt;licensing terms that are not compatible with the GPL, and that was the&lt;br&gt;first thing I noticed on your site.  Also ThemeForest licensing for WP&lt;br&gt;themes is not compatible with the GPL.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s from the e-mail I received when I questioned.  So yeah, you have to pledge allegiance to the GPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One of the first things I look at is the site that the theme is from -<br /><a href="http://matthewlyle.com/" rel="nofollow">http://matthewlyle.com/</a> &#8211; since sites that offer or support non-GPL<br />themes are not eligible to be in the directory.  The Thesis theme has<br />licensing terms that are not compatible with the GPL, and that was the<br />first thing I noticed on your site.  Also ThemeForest licensing for WP<br />themes is not compatible with the GPL.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#39;s from the e-mail I received when I questioned.  So yeah, you have to pledge allegiance to the GPL.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with the repository dictating what links can be in the submitted theme itself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, it is patently wrong (and totalitarian) for the repository to dictate what the theme developer hosts, writes about, promotes, or advertises on his own web site.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As it is, if a theme developer cannot so much as writes a positive review of a non-100% GPL theme, his theme will get rejected from the repository.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with the repository dictating what links can be in the submitted theme itself.</p>
<p>However, it is patently wrong (and totalitarian) for the repository to dictate what the theme developer hosts, writes about, promotes, or advertises on his own web site.</p>
<p>As it is, if a theme developer cannot so much as writes a positive review of a non-100% GPL theme, his theme will get rejected from the repository.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
		<link>http://matthewlyle.com/wordpress/warning-wordpress-theme-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let me see if I get this straight: the theme repository moderator not only has to go through each submitted theme with a fine-toothed comb looking for malicious content and anything that might violate the repository guidelines, but then *also* has to go to the developer&#039;s web site, and search for any non-100% GPL themes, ads for non-GPL themes, posts supportive of non-100% GPL themes, links to sites that host, sell, or support non-100% GPL themes, or any similar content?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wash, rinse, repeat for every theme submitted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you said: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wp.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wp.org&lt;/a&gt; are free to set whatever guidelines they desire for their hosted repository. However, I don&#039;t want to hear about the theme repository moderator being over-worked, when 75% of that overwork comes from an asinine and draconian guideline that goes far beyond mere adherence to 100% GPL for all hosted themes, to unreasonably and unjustifiably draconian adherence of the theme developer to wordpress.org&#039;s (i.e. Matt Mullenweg&#039;s) interpretation of the free software/GPL philosophy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actively stifling dissent and freedom of thought and expression cannot possibly be congruent with a movement that purports to extol the virtues of *freedom*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me see if I get this straight: the theme repository moderator not only has to go through each submitted theme with a fine-toothed comb looking for malicious content and anything that might violate the repository guidelines, but then *also* has to go to the developer&#39;s web site, and search for any non-100% GPL themes, ads for non-GPL themes, posts supportive of non-100% GPL themes, links to sites that host, sell, or support non-100% GPL themes, or any similar content?</p>
<p>Wash, rinse, repeat for every theme submitted.</p>
<p>As you said: <a href="http://wp.org" rel="nofollow">wp.org</a> are free to set whatever guidelines they desire for their hosted repository. However, I don&#39;t want to hear about the theme repository moderator being over-worked, when 75% of that overwork comes from an asinine and draconian guideline that goes far beyond mere adherence to 100% GPL for all hosted themes, to unreasonably and unjustifiably draconian adherence of the theme developer to wordpress.org&#39;s (i.e. Matt Mullenweg&#39;s) interpretation of the free software/GPL philosophy.</p>
<p>Actively stifling dissent and freedom of thought and expression cannot possibly be congruent with a movement that purports to extol the virtues of *freedom*.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chip Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let me see if I get this straight: the theme repository moderator not only has to go through each submitted theme with a fine-toothed comb looking for malicious content and anything that might violate the repository guidelines, but then *also* has to go to the developer&#039;s web site, and search for any non-100% GPL themes, ads for non-GPL themes, posts supportive of non-100% GPL themes, links to sites that host, sell, or support non-100% GPL themes, or any similar content?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wash, rinse, repeat for every theme submitted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As you said: &lt;a href=&quot;http://wp.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wp.org&lt;/a&gt; are free to set whatever guidelines they desire for their hosted repository. However, I don&#039;t want to hear about the theme repository moderator being over-worked, when 75% of that overwork comes from an asinine and draconian guideline that goes far beyond mere adherence to 100% GPL for all hosted themes, to unreasonably and unjustifiably draconian adherence of the theme developer to wordpress.org&#039;s (i.e. Matt Mullenweg&#039;s) interpretation of the free software/GPL philosophy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actively stifling dissent and freedom of thought and expression cannot possibly be congruent with a movement that purports to extol the virtues of *freedom*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me see if I get this straight: the theme repository moderator not only has to go through each submitted theme with a fine-toothed comb looking for malicious content and anything that might violate the repository guidelines, but then *also* has to go to the developer&#39;s web site, and search for any non-100% GPL themes, ads for non-GPL themes, posts supportive of non-100% GPL themes, links to sites that host, sell, or support non-100% GPL themes, or any similar content?</p>
<p>Wash, rinse, repeat for every theme submitted.</p>
<p>As you said: <a href="http://wp.org" rel="nofollow">wp.org</a> are free to set whatever guidelines they desire for their hosted repository. However, I don&#39;t want to hear about the theme repository moderator being over-worked, when 75% of that overwork comes from an asinine and draconian guideline that goes far beyond mere adherence to 100% GPL for all hosted themes, to unreasonably and unjustifiably draconian adherence of the theme developer to wordpress.org&#39;s (i.e. Matt Mullenweg&#39;s) interpretation of the free software/GPL philosophy.</p>
<p>Actively stifling dissent and freedom of thought and expression cannot possibly be congruent with a movement that purports to extol the virtues of *freedom*.</p>
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